Close to 20 years ago, I sat in a park near my place in The Bay Area, talking with Dave and JJ about their hopes and dreams. Having spent the first few years of their musical career between Arizona and California, they were right on the edge of a move to Nashville.

They wanted to take a full, big league, swing at their work and believed that move would do it.

Which is to say, they were doing what I regularly tell my clients to do, especially when young and less attached:

They were betting on themselves and it has been a sincere joy to see them keep doing that

Because among the many rewards and awards available to professional artists, the joy of having stayed, over years and then decades is among the richest and most valuable.

This is my conversation with JJ and Dave Heller

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